Preacher Competition

James Taylor

Active Member
What Do You Think About Competition (within A Demonination Of Course) Between Preachers Or Pastors. Competing For Awards For Most Homes Visited, Most Sermons, Most People Saved Etc. Awards To Be Given At The Yearly Conference. Can Any Thing Good Come Out Of This.
 

Brother Mike

Active Member
To be short and to the point, only one word really comes to mind.

Pride

Psalms 10:4 (KJV) The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

Proverbs 29:23 (KJV) A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

When a man competes for glory for performing the work of God, I think that man is in serious trouble spiritually. And I think any man who would be a part of this type of competetion is seeking that glory.


What Do You Think About Competition (within A Demonination Of Course) Between Preachers Or Pastors. Competing For Awards For Most Homes Visited, Most Sermons, Most People Saved Etc. Awards To Be Given At The Yearly Conference. Can Any Thing Good Come Out Of This.
 

marty

Beta Tester
I agree with you, Bro. Mike. I see more problems arising from a competition between pastors than good. If you wanted to have a competition with prizes, it seems like it should be in games not ministry, as some ministries are tougher than others.
 

Jerry

Beta Tester
What Do You Think About Competition (within A Demonination Of Course) Between Preachers Or Pastors. Competing For Awards For Most Homes Visited, Most Sermons, Most People Saved Etc. Awards To Be Given At The Yearly Conference. Can Any Thing Good Come Out Of This.
I think Brother Mike is on the money.

Many years ago when I was little my parents had attended some "Christian" conference. I do not recall the denomination nor the event. However, they had some huge awards ceremony for whomever had won the most souls for Christ (as if we really have anything to do with it). They had nominations and interviews, with all the finalists lined up on stage at the end. When they announced the winner it was just like Ms. America - they put a tiara on her head and gave her a bouquet of roses, and she walked back and forth on the stage, waving that stupid wave with everyone cheering and lights flashing. It was just plain sick.

Obviously these people have never read Matthew 6.
 

James Taylor

Active Member
I agree with all. many years ago i was in such a compitition even tho i did not compete. you would not believe the fights that broke out among the preachers about who was cheating on there reports. JERRY said it in three words "just plain sick"
look in GEN how that CAIN was competing with ABEL and what hapened after that.
 

RevTim

Beta Tester
What Do You Think About Competition (within A Demonination Of Course) Between Preachers Or Pastors. Competing For Awards For Most Homes Visited, Most Sermons, Most People Saved Etc. Awards To Be Given At The Yearly Conference. Can Any Thing Good Come Out Of This.
I don't suppose we normally think of this as a "competition" but we all shall one day be judged...

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

...and it seems we should try to exhort one another about giving our best "reasonable service" to the King...

2 Corinthians 5:9-11 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

...yet in the end, we shall all stand or fall on our own...

Romans 14:1-23 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

...so I suppose we are all already in a competition, with ourselves, doing our best to yield to the Spirit...

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

...and thus measure up to God's standard...

Ephesians 4:11-16 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

...so in the meantime...

Romans 12:1-21 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

...exhorting one another in love, until the Trumpet sounds, or we are called Home.

A few scattered thoughts, IMHO...

...and, yes, if anyone needs a little something for a devotion or SS lesson, or if you have more meat for these poor bones, g'head and steal...errr use it...with my blessings, of course...
 

James Taylor

Active Member
PASTOR TIM--I would like to commend you on going to the bible first and then your oppinion last. That is a good example to follow.
 

RevTim

Beta Tester
PASTOR TIM--I would like to commend you on going to the bible first and then your oppinion last. That is a good example to follow.
Praise the Lord, and thank-you...

...although, in retrospect, THIS...

...and, yes, if anyone needs a little something for a devotion or SS lesson, or if you have more meat for these poor bones, g'head and steal...errr use it...with my blessings, of course...
...was a bit too presumptuous and I shouldn't have added it. Blessings.
 

Ashlady

Member
I think that if you are saying that there really are pastors in competition
for who is winning the most souls to Jesus, then I would have to ask
"Who knows who is really saved? Only Jesus" for He does the Saving.
I do not believe anyone really knows another person's heart and standing with God. Thus to enter into competitions as to who has won more souls to Jesus is presumtuous, and I believe very unbiblical.
I believe there is a big difference between exhorting other to good works and making it a competition. A compation of this sort in my opinion is bragging, and if one is bragging about his good works who is being honored?
I've been taught by my Husband and Pastor that when one ministers to the unsaved they should leave you not thinking of the messenger but of Jesus.
This is my opinion on this topic.
Ash :)
 

marty

Beta Tester
A very good post, Ash! Well said! Sums it up admirably. Thank you! :cool:
 

MiltW

Member
My humble thoughts on the matter are simple. Jesus said, "Go." Paul said, "I have become all things to all men, that I may win some."
There is already to much of an attitude in many places of "competition" with not just fellow pastors in a denomination, but across denominational lines. Too much have I seen of the results of "get those numbers up, campaigns.
Yes numbers represent souls, but they can be deceiving when it comes to eternal treasures. If those "won" are not nurtured, we may have only muddied the waters, not brought them into a lasting relationship.
We should all in the body of Christ have one goal united, to bring people to a growing lasting relationship with Christ.

Thanks for letting me say that. :) To God be the glory, I want non for my own.
Milt
 
Top